Tim Maas Supporter Retired Quality Assurance Specialist with the U.S. Army

In my opinion, Jesus was speaking of a difference in eternal state -- favorable outcomes (those "taken") versus adverse outcomes (those left behind) -- with no reference to any specific beliefs or teachings regarding the events related to that state (such as the Rapture or the fall of Jerusalem). The main admonition was to be continually spiritually ready and prepared for eternity because of the suddenness with which that state can come upon one.

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Jack Gutknecht Supporter ABC/DTS graduate, guitar music ministry Baptist church

Was Jesus referring to the rapture or judgment in Luke 17:34-37?

At first, I thought this was the rapture (one being "taken" and the other being "left"). But now, after reading Luke 17:37, my rapture theory disappeared! The disciples asked where these individuals in vv. 34-35 would be taken. Jesus answered, "Where there is a dead body, there the vultures would gather." Jesus' reply clearly indicates judgment.

(34 I tell you, in that night there will be two in one bed. One will be taken and the other left. 35 There will be two women grinding together. One will be taken and the other left.")

Jesus' answer in Luke 17:37 plainly points to judgment. Luke 17:37 says, "And they said to him, 'Where, Lord?' He said to them, 'Where the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.'"

In the Old Testament, God is seen as leaving His enemies as food for vultures. In the New Testament that is the fate of those unprepared for the kingdom (Mt 24:28: -- "Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather." Rev 19:17-19 17: "And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, 'Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; 18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.' 19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army."). --Ron Rhodes

The Luke 17:37 passage is "a reference to the carnage of Armageddon (Rev. 19:17-19)." Ryrie Study Bible

Wiersbe says vultures symbolize corruption (Matt. 24:28; Luke 17:37). 

Those left behind are believers who will enter Christ's millennial kingdom--a period of 1,000 years during which Christ will rule the earth (Rev. 20:1-6; Mt 25:31-46). --RR (Ron Rhodes).

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Jennifer Rothnie Supporter Housewife, Artist, Perpetually Curious

Judgement. Not necessarily eternal judgement, at least immediately, but judgement by death. We see several clues to this in the text:

"Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man: People were eating and drinking, marrying and being given in marriage...Then the flood came and destroyed them all." Luke 17:26-27

The people were unprepared and living life as usual (and refused to heed Noah) - then they were destroyed by the flood. The literal flood waters literally killed them. They physically died.

"It was the same in the days of Lot: People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. But on the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all." Luke 17:28-29

Again, they are unprepared, unrepentant, and living their lives. Then the judgement of eternal fire comes, and their land is destroyed. Literal fire from heaven literally killed them. They physically died.

"It will be just like that on the day the Son of Man is revealed." Luke 17:30

Just like that? We should expect some sort of literal judgement or peril, with literal death as a consequence.

It's also important to note here that this is not "the Son of Man appearing" in the sense of the parousia, His Second Coming, but the "Son of Man revealed" in the sense of apokaluptó - revealing the hidden mystery. Basically, the evidence Jesus is Messiah unsealed for the world to see.

"On that day, let no one on the housetop come down to retrieve his possessions. Likewise, let no one in the field return for anything he has left behind. Remember Lot’s wife!" Luke 17:31-31

Lot's wife physically died because she looked back.

"Whoever tries to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life will preserve it." Lk 17:33

More evidence this is about losing one's life, but with the interesting addition that trying to "save" one's life will actually backfire, wheras those willing to lose their natural life (Matt 10:39 clarifies, for Christ's sake) will preserve their higher one.

The next verse contextually it seems to be a prophecy that half of the people will die:

"I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed: One will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding grain together: One will be taken and the other left.”

Then when they ask, "where" (presumably, where will they be taken) Jesus answers, "Jesus answered, “Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures (more literally eagles) will gather.” 

Carcass, gathering vultures = dead bodies.

We can look back over history, most notably as recorded in Josephus' "The Wars of the Jews" and see when these prophecies were fulfilled, as well. (Though it doesn't preclude a possible double fulfillment in the future.)

First, the eagles hint at Rome being involved - the standard of the Roman flags being Eagles.

The siege of Jerusalem, which culminated in 70A.D., was preceded by several years of warnings to the Jewish people - including a prophet crying "Woe, Woe, Woe..." for three and a half years. (Judean rebels had taken control of Jerusalem in 66 A.D.)

During a sixth month break in the siege, Christians of the era took these prophecies of Jesus as warnings, and fled through the mountains to various cities like Pella, where they took refuge.

But the Jews themselves thought the break in the siege meant peace and safety - even that they had won and Rome would now leave them alone. They returned to daily living, thinking the threat was over. 

Then when general (later emperor) Titus came in 70A.D, they were unprepared, and it was too late. The final five month stage of the siege cost the Jews their temple, much of the lower city, and half of them (around two million) their lives. Even those who sought to save their lives by joining Rome ended up dead.

Meanwhile, chariots in the sky, the opening of the East Gate, voices from heaven, etc. Revealed for all Jews that the Messiah had indeed come (1st coming.)

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Leslie Coutinho Supporter

Luke 17:36-37: "Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left." And they answered and said unto him, "Where, Lord?" And he said unto them, "Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together."

There were many like the Pharisees who followed, but believed not that Jesus was the Son of God. For they were waiting for the Kingdom of God to come, despite the fulfillment of prophecies, as “written in the scrolls that came to pass.” (Isa 53:2,6-7,12; Luk 22:37) The kingdom of God would be given to those who follow, serve, and obey Him in wisdom as saints. (Daniel 7:13-14, 27) This is illustrated by the story of the leper among the ten who came back to Jesus. He was a Samaritan and, upon realizing that he had been healed, glorified God and fell at Jesus's feet, giving Him thanks. 

Jesus then spoke to His disciples, warning them that there would come a time when they would long to see the Son of Man, but they would not. He cautioned them not to follow anyone who would say, “Look here” or “Look there.” For as lightning the lighteneth one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven, so shall also the “Son of Man be in His day of coming,” that is to rapture the church. (Lk 17:22-24/1Thes 4:15-17) He also warned that those days would resemble the time of Noah and Lot, for Lot who then fled from Sodom. (Lk 17:26-29) In that time, there shall be those who shall be raptured, and those who are being left behind, for then the eagles' who are the vultures shall be gathered together among them who are left behind. 

In the scriptures of the WORD of God spoken to us through our Lord Jesus, we are revealed that the eagles are the vultures that shall gather together to divide the spoil in the midst of people who are left behind. These spoils that shall be divided will be the ones that shall burn as an oven, being proud doing wickedly which shall be stubbled and shall be burnt. For these vultures shall neither leave a root nor a branch in them. (Malachi 4:1) For they shall be in the nations that shall gather together who are against Jerusalem to battle and the city shall be taken and the house riffled. The woman shall be ravished, and half the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. (Zec 14:2)

The judgment will then occur after the rapture for the leftover, where the nations have gathered together and taken over Jerusalem. (Eze 38:16) And then shall the two witnesses who shall descend from the sky and come and prophesy for two hundred and threescore days clothed in sackcloth. They will have the power of fire to devour their enemy, as of their days when the power of God the Father that was given to them. To shut the heaven that rain not, power over waters to turn to blood and smite the earth with plagues. When they finish their testimony, the beast from the bottomless pit shall make war against them and kill them. After three days, the Spirit of life from God shall come into their body where they were lying on the floor, and they shall stand and ascend again back to heaven. (Rev 11:3-6,10-12)

Revelation 11:9: And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and a half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

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