S. Michael Houdmann Supporter Got Questions Ministries

The first reference to the morning star as an individual is in Isaiah 14:12: "How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once la...

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July 01 2013 • 3 responses • Vote Up • Share • Report

Singapore Moses Supporter Messenger of God, CEO in IT industry, Astronaut, Scientist

"The morning stars sang together" - Job 38:6 

The morning stars are the vast stars in space, many of which are suns to other planets. This passage proves that the whole of the heavens was created before the earth, or these stars couldn't have been singing when God laid the earth's foundations. That the material creations do sing and speak their own languages is plainly stated in Ps. 19 and other scriptures. In fact, all creations have some means of communication with one another and with God and man. This will be more evident after the curse is removed from creation (Rom. 8:21- 24; Rev. 22:3).

Satan is the only person other than Christ and angels who is called a morning star (Isa. 14:12). Angels are so- called in Job 38:7, and Christ is called the bright and morning star in Rev. 22:16; so whoever Lucifer is he could not be a mere man but a heavenly being. Lucifer actually ascended to heaven in an effort to exalt his throne above the stars of God and become like the Most High. This no earthly man could do, for he would have no access to heaven apart from God (Isa. 14:13- 14).

The following reference is Christ (Rev. 22:16; cp. Num. 24:17):
1. Morning star (Rev. 2:28) 
2. Bright and morning star (Rev. 22:16). 

The Sun of righteousness:
This reference from Mi 4:2 no doubt refers to the second coming of Christ, the Sun of righteousness, who will bring healing to every person on earth; none will be sick when He reigns (Isa. 33:24; 35:5- 7; Ezek. 47:12).

Prophesy about a STAR out of Jacob:
I (Balaam) shall see Him, but not now (Num. 24:17). Balaam and all other men will see Him, for every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess His Lordship (Php. 2:9- 11). Even all rebels in hell will be tormented forever in His presence (Rev. 14:9- 11; cp. Isa. 66:22- 24). The literal meaning here is, "I shall have a full view of Him, but the time is far distant"; that is, the person I am prophesying about does not now exist among these Israelites, nor shall He appear in this generation. He shall rise as a Star out of Jacob (Num. 24:17). 

The star has been a symbol of regal power among all nations, being often used to herald the rise of, and future glory of, a monarch. A Sceptre shall rise out of Israel (Num. 24:17). This same thing was predicted by the prophet Jacob (Gen. 49:10; cp. Ps. 45:6; Heb. 1:8). It expresses the ruling power of the Messiah who was to come (Isa. 9:6- 7; Dan. 7:13- 14; Lk. 1:32- 33; Rev. 11:15).

Four things promised for everyone for overcoming:
1. Power over the nations (Rev. 2:26)
2. Ruling nations with a rod of iron (Rev. 2:27)
3. Crushing all resistance of nations (Rev. 2:27)
4. The morning star (Rev. 2:28)

All saints will be kings or priests under Christ and will rule the earth forever (Rev. 2:26- 27 1:6; 5:10; 20:4- 6 22:4- 5).

What does that mean?

Well, in Revelation 22:16 Christ says, “I am the Root, and the Offspring of David, and the bright and morning Star.”

Ok, so if Christ is the morning star then that means the overcomer’s reward is Christ Himself! It doesn’t get any better than that. When the image of Christ is fully birthed in and through us, we will be fully reflecting his glory. (Galatians 4:19). To bear the image of God, we will be like the moon, reflect a light that is not our own but that of the Son of Righteousness, the Lord himself. 

We are God’s people destined to reflect the image of the glorified Christ. The Day of the Lord describes the fullness of the manifested glory of that time, like the noon of a day when light has fully come.

July 13 2014 • 2 responses • Vote Up • Share • Report

Jason Corning Supporter The Order of the Maccabee

Always remember that Lucifer is simply a Latin word for light-bringer, ilght-bearer, or Morning Star. In fact, the Book of Sirach refers to one of the High Priests with the same designation. It is only in Isaiah we find that Evil One, the Devil also may be referred to as 'lucifer' (Helel in Hebrew). This does not mean his name is in fact 'Lucifer' because earlier Books of the Bible clearly indicate that the Devil's name is Satan (adversary, accuser, opponent in Hebrew). The exact passage in context found in Isaiah reads: 


11 Thy pride is brought down to hell, thy carcass is fallen down: under thee shall the moth be strewed, and worms shall be thy covering.
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, who didst rise in the morning? how art thou fallen to the earth, that didst wound the nations?
13 And thou saidst in thy heart: I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God, I will sit in the mountain of the covenant, in the sides of the north.

- Isaiah 14:11-13

Now it should be quite obvious by Isaiah's taunting, provocative style that he doesn't really think of this individual (whether it be Satan or the King of Babylon) as a real, actual 'Lucifer' but more like an impostor, a fake, a wannabe. So taking into consideration all the other passages that refer to Jesus Christ as Lucifer clearly and directly, the reader should realize that the Evil One NEVER WAS the true Lucifer (a Biblical compliment and title of honor), but a fake one who never did and never does deserve the title 'Morning Star/Lucifer'. That is for Jesus Christ the one true Light-Bringer who has brought light rather than darkness into the world.

September 16 2013 • 1 response • Vote Up • Share • Report

Robert Avila Supporter

Here is the King James Version:

“How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!”

In the original, the scripture says “Lucifer.” This is from Strong’s Hebrew 1966, “ הֵילֵל“ which sounds like “hay-lale.” This word can also be translated as “light bearer”, “shining one”, or “morning star.” In this context, Lucifer is the most clear meaning. 

The word “son” (H1121, Strong’s) in Isa 14:12 can also be translated as “stranger”, which gives something like, “Lucifer, stranger of the morning.” 

In Revelation 22:16, where the English version uses the exact same phrase to describe Jesus (in the NIV they are the same, but not in the KJV), there are no Hebrew words at all. We have this text in Greek. 

So, there is no absolute equivalence, not even in the original language. The confusion exists only in the English language, and only in more recent translations (I think the ASV does this as well.)

So, it seems to me that one of two conditions exists: 
1. The translators of the KJV understood the potential confusion and wrote to avoid such error. 
2. The NIV authors intended the confusion (this is interesting to share because there are interesting arguments that the modern versions were created by “wolves who crept in unaware”, and that these versions intentionally misdirect, omit, and confuse. The book by Gail Riplinger is fascinating in this regard.) 

Or, it could all be accidental, collateral damage in the pursuit of profit. In order to hold patents and keep royalties to themselves, new version creators must, in the legal parlance, create a “substantially different” version. 

I, too, recognized many differences and sometimes found confusing passages- after I switched to the ASV. I found if I read the confusing or red flag passages in the KJV, the fog went away. Then I researched how the new versions were created. I now read only the KJV and I love Strong’s Concordance. 

Peace.

January 13 2018 • 0 responses • Vote Up • Share • Report

Kenneth Heck Supporter

Lucifer was the morning star in the Old Testament (Isa 14:12). Christ is the morning star in the New Testament (Rev 22:16). 

This is possible because the title of "morning star" was taken away from Lucifer and transferred to Christ after his crucifixion and resurrection according to Matt 28:18 " All power is given unto me in heaven and earth." This would include the morning star in heaven.

October 30 2015 • 0 responses • Vote Up • Share • Report

Len Thies Supporter Bible researcher and author

In answer to the original question, "They aren't!". Satan is a morning star while Jesus is the "Bright and morning star", meaning He is the head or ruler of them. I agree with Selva's response.

April 07 2018 • 0 responses • Vote Up • Share • Report