Jim New Supporter Just a follower of Jesus Christ and him only!

Gods word is very clear about this- the book of James 2:24-26 says "faith without works(deeds) is dead" gotta have both.

Where most Christians get confused about this issue is in the initial stage of salvation, this is where faith alone comes in- believing in Christ, no amount of works(nothing we can do) can save us.

We can be the kindest, gentlest most compassionate loving person but without faith in Christ we're not saved and we can have all the faith in the world but without works(deeds) its dead.

After the initial stage of salvation then faith must go one step further and that is in deeds(works). We just can't say we trust in Christ without doing anything to show for it. In other words I can say I believe in Christ but If I don't show love,kindness,outreach to the needy and so on then faith alone is dead. We must have faith plus works to please God! And yes, we will be judged by our works! Revelations 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works!

2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that everyone may receive a reward of the deeds done in the body; things according to what he hath done, whether good or bad.

To Him be the Glory.

August 27 2013 • 12 responses • Vote Up • Share • Report

James Chacko Supporter

You are saved by grace by faith. Nothing can be added to it. Jesus work of redemption is total and complete.

The judgement of the believer when he stands before the judgement seat of Christ is for the crowns that are awarded according to our works.

August 27 2013 • 12 responses • Vote Up • Share • Report

Jamie Page Supporter Pastor

Simple answer, no. Only becuase you are "Christ's workmanship" who relies on Christ's work in your place. But, that does not mean we don't work. In fact, it's the only real reason for working.

Just as justification is by faith alone.

(Justification is being declared righteous by God - just as if you never sinned - just as if you always obeyed).

Many Christians move from justification by faith alone to sanctification by mostly “me alone” with a little help from the Holy Spirit.

(Sanctification is being set apart for holiness and growing in Christlikeness).

Look, what you can't miss is a phrase that James uses several times in his short and very important letter. That phrase is "Law of Liberty." This phrase is what Paul says in Galatians 5.6 as "faith working through love."

James's point, and Paul's is this: 

Because Jesus has both - note both - died for our sin of not doing good works and crediting all of His righteousness of doing His own good works to us, then - and only then, do we do good works freely. Because the cross of Jesus accomplishes both the forgiveness of sin and the imputation of Christ’s righteousness (that means just as God the Father looks at Jesus and says “This is My Son and with Him I AM well pleased.” So God looks at us and says “You are My Son/My Daughter and with you I AM well pleased. Not because of your work but because of your Savior’s work.”

There is a deep issue seen even in the wording of your question: "Will we be judged..." It's a "motivation" question. What do I get or don't get for believing and working. Look, we can't be free of motivation unless all of the credit for doing the work is already accomplished. That's why James calls it the law of liberty, and Paul says "all that remains [for us to do] is faith working through love.

Therefore, just as justification is by faith alone, so is sanctification. And as Paul tells the Ephesian church “walk as children of light” because you are children of light. “You do who you are.” Not “you do to be who you are.”

I should add a huge thing that is implied in my answer, but hasn't been made explicit...yet. 

That's this:

As one answer pointed to "you know a tree by it's fruit" we can't miss the gospel in that. The gospel point is that WE ARE ALL BAD FRUIT. Yet, Jesus -the only good fruit - became our nastiness so that we could become good fruit. I often make this point asking a few quesitons.

1. What does the Bible say about God.
2. What does the Bible say about people.
3. Because of that what should I just do?
4. HUGE!! How am I not doing it?
5. How did Jesus do it perfectly, earning all righteousness?
6. How is Jesus's death on the cross satisfactory for my sin and how does God see me in Christ's perfect obedience of - alone - being the good fruit.
7. Because I'm new in Christ, therefore how can I live in Christ to do what He commands - through the empowerment of the gospel (Romans 8.11)?

August 28 2013 • 1 response • Vote Up • Share • Report

Martin Van Dyk Supporter

Question: If we are saved by faith in Jesus, will we still be judged by our deeds/works? 

(another) Question: Why separate 'faith' and 'works'? The book of James is clear... faith and works are one. A person's actions always-always-always reflects the faith carried by the person.

We are made in God's image. (E.G.) If God had a mirror and looked into it....who would he see? God would see you. In our behaviors we make a liar out of God's mirror (image). If we believe God to be creator and ruler and judge, let us reflect His image in EVERYTHING seven days a week!

Be careful how we question...

August 27 2013 • 1 response • Vote Up • Share • Report

Anonymous

This is my opinion because it is God's opinion according to these verses.
James 2:18-26 -  But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19 You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder! 20 Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works; 23 and the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”—and he was called a friend of God. 24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. 25 And in the same way was not also Rahab the prostitute justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way? 26 For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.

August 27 2013 • 2 responses • Vote Up • Share • Report

Meluleki Maphosa Supporter

The parable of the wedding garment is quite helpful in view, to this question. Everyone is invited, even those that thought they did not qualify. Everyone is issued with the garment free of charge, by the King Himself. The only requirement is for the guests to put on the garment and keep it clean for the feast. In other words once you have put on the garment it is your responsibility to keep it clean as you await the feast to begin. It is the same with salvation. (Mat 1:21) She will bring a son to birth, and when she does, you, Joseph, will name him Jesus--'God saves'--because he will save his people from their sins." Jesus does not save us in our sins but from our sins. Jesus forgave the sins of the woman caught in adultery, but added "Go and sin no more". The duty of man is to do the will of God. The will of God is contained in the bible, from Genesis to Revelation. Jesus likened it to bread, we have to eat it everyday and grow everyday. As you read through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, you learn new things and you have to do (deeds/ works) those things. God will ignore those things that you did not know (times of ignorance), but as you grow through reading his word, you will have an obligation to do the works expected of a child of God. 
Surely if a murderer were to repent, even society would expect him to stop murder, and produce good works. This may be dramatic but it brings home the point.

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Dan Rivers Supporter Christian, Husband, Grandfather, Son, AT&T retiree

Those with the indwelling Holy Spirit will NOT be judged!

Rom 8:1 NIV - Therefore, there is now NO CONDEMNATION for those who are in Christ Jesus,

Jhn 5:24 NIV - "Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and WILL NOT BE JUDGED but has crossed over from death to life.

Jhn 3:16 NLT - "For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who BELIEVES in him will not perish BUT HAVE eternal life.

Rom 5:9 NIV - Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall WE BE SAVED from God's WRATH through him!

Rev 3:10 NIV - Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also KEEP YOU FROM THE HOUR OF TRIAL that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.

Only those with the HS in them can endure...

Rom 8:11 NIV - And IF the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead IS living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you.

I don't see works, baptism or anything else mentioned at all...All we must do is believe!

Jesus was asked about works, here's his answer...

Jhn 6:28 NIV - Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the WORKS God requires?"

Jhn 6:29 NIV - Jesus answered, "The WORK of God is this: to BELIEVE in the one he has sent."

In the Old Testament the Jews had to it all for him. In GRACE God does it all for us!

All Glory and Praise to the Lord...none for me...

PS- One more thing...God says that once he forgives he forgets...Heb 8:12, Heb 10:17...He doesn't remember nor does he keep a record of our sins... Ps 130:3, Rom 4:6...

So how will he judge those he's forgiven if he doesn't remember and doesn't keep a record of our sins?

When we appear in front of the Lord, he will look at us and know that we've been made righteous by the blood of Jesus and he'll say, "Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. Rev 22:14 NIV

August 29 2013 • 2 responses • Vote Up • Share • Report

Judy Jentz Supporter Christian, Lay Person Who Studys God's Living Word

When I first began my journey of studying the Bible I was afraid I would not understand any of it and I wanted to know what everything meant.

So, I ordered a DVD set by a theologian, who went through the Books verse by verse and then did commentary. When he cam to the aspect of Christians being judged, he said that this judgment would determine what area in Heaven in which we would serve God. In other words, the more good deeds, the higher upper on the scale of serving God.

I have yet to get any other answer, as I have wondered about this myself. I realize if you have a true faith in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior you are truly going to change outwardly and inwardly. Faith and deeds just go together. If a person is in a relationship with someone and really cares about that person, they are going to show it in how they act towards them. It will not consist of negativity, beating, arguing, etc. It will be all kind, generous, selflessness, etc.

Since I have been studying the Bible I can truly say that God's Word has changed me inwardly and outwardly. I have been born again. Not that I didn't believe in God before, but I was not an acting Christian.

Here is a verse to show we are now clean:

1 Corinthians 6:11 
And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

If not for knowing and believing in this with all my heart and soul, I probably would not have had the changes in me that have taken place. I wouldn't be producing good deeds. But they just come naturally when with all your heart and soul, you know God and His love and all He has done for us.

January 19 2014 • 5 responses • Vote Up • Share • Report

Tim Beeker Supporter

Yes, one will be judged.

Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw — each one's work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If anyone's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire. (I Cor. 3:12-15)

Don't forget:

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Master, Master,’ shall enter into the reign of the heavens, but he who is doing the desire of My Father in the heavens. “Many shall say to Me in that day, ‘Master, Master, have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and done many mighty works in Your Name?’ And then I shall declare to them, ‘I never knew you, depart from Me, you who work lawlessness!’ (Mt. 7:21-23)

Yes, everyone will be judged. Those who are of unbelief, those who are true belief, and those who say they believe, but truly do not.

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Brandon Hughes Supporter Regular Worker Guy

In short, no; but if we trust in our good works we will be judged by them and rightly condemned. Sola fide, faith alone.

August 27 2013 • 2 responses • Vote Up • Share • Report

Brian Stewart Supporter

17  Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18  A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19  Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20  Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them (Matt 7)

The answer is yes you will be judged for your deeds. As a Christian you must bring forth the fruit of a christian. 

Jesus issued forth judgements on the 7 churches of Asia. This was not written to the world but to the church. 
5  Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent (Rev 2:5)

    10  But why dost thou judge thy brother? Or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11  For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. 12  So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. (Rom 14)

Notice the words "us" and "we". This is Paul writing to the church at Rome not to sinners. 

12  And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works

Just " getting saved" is not enough, you have to line up with the bible. 

If anything will do, nothing will do just as well.

August 27 2013 • 6 responses • Vote Up • Share • Report

D W Supporter

Salvation is by grace through faith, the gift of God, No "works" preceding salvation are involved. Works follow salvaton, as we witness to what has happened to each of us to our church, family, friends, and total strangers. The Judgment Seat of Christ is for REWARDS, not punishment. We will become aware of the opportunities to witness that we had, and we will be shown how that has resulted in fewer rewards. However, we have nothing to fear. We die here, or get caught up in the Rapture, go to the JSC, and remain forever in Heaven, safe, secure, sanctified.

August 27 2013 • 15 responses • Vote Up • Share • Report

tee miller Supporter

We will still be judged but bc we are saved by grace through faith we are not condemned! The way we act will affect our lives on the earth BUT when he comes back to get his children we are good bc HE THAT BELIEVES will be saved (John 3:16). Doesn't say he that does good deeds will be saved....Ephesians 2:8 should clear up some things....

August 28 2013 • 6 responses • Vote Up • Share • Report

Gerald LaRosa Supporter Music Minster, Professional Musician

I have studied James and it occurred to me to draw a diagram of the balance between faith and works.

Picture a sea-saw at a playground.

On one end sits a child called "Faith" and on the other is a child called "Works". They try to bounce back and forth up and down. Each one pushes with their feet to help the other achieve the upward lift.

This action would not occur if the middle of the sea-saw did not have a "fulcrum" in the middle to distribute to weight and balance. The fulcrum is the HEART. Jesus Christ saw the Heart of the penny giver of the woman in the temple. She gave ALL she had. 

I believe the answer is a question. "What is your motivation?" Faith is the engine. Works is the get up and go.

September 01 2013 • 1 response • Vote Up • Share • Report

Gregory Tomlinson Supporter Minister, husband,father,grandfather,vet., college graduate

There is a difference between the works of the law in which no one will be justified and the works of faith or fruit of the spirit. They who live by faith have put off that old nature, it being nailed to the cross with Christ and are alive in the new man Christ's resurrection being a new birth a second chance to live in the spirit. 

The works of the flesh bring death, the works of the spirit bring life. I have found I must die out to sin daily to not allow it to reign in my body, and train myself to live Godly through the spirit by seeking through prayer and study and being a part of the body of Christ through His established ministries.

October 04 2013 • 0 responses • Vote Up • Share • Report

Walt Pryor Supporter Retired man, seventy three.

Salvation is found in no other, only Jesus Christ. 
Christians will be judged, but not on qualifications for salvation. Salvation is a free gift from God, to all who accept Jesus Christ. Christians judgement will be on works, and rewards, for those works. Non Christians will be judged on whether they have Christ as savior. In other words, they are judged before they stand before God. Non Christians are judged already, the bible says. 
Go to index in Bible, read all verses on rewards, rewarded, and treasure. Seek not treasure on Earth where rust and moth can destroy, but treasure in heaven.

January 19 2014 • 0 responses • Vote Up • Share • Report

Ezekiel Kimosop - Pastor & Bible Scholar Supporter

Of course believers will be judged because Paul clearly declares that if judgment shall begin with the house of God, how much more will it be for the wicked. God's children will not be judged on the basis of their faith but on their obedience and service to the Lord. 

Paul says that our works will be judged or tested to see how sound they are but at the worst of things we shall escape with nothing to show for our diligence in serving God. Our crowns will not shine and we shall be ashamed of our lost opportunity to do good while we had time.
I do not believe we shall face the same judgment as the sinners because Romans 8:1-2says "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death."
Jesus has given us eternal life on the basis of the faith we have in Christ by which he has washed our sins and in which we are declared righteous in the presence of God. 

We do not earn salvation on the basis of our works but if we deliberately sin an go on in sin in the false belief that we are freed from condemnation then Hebrews has the answer where it declares that we shall vex God and may lose our salvation

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Druunah Dreamze Supporter

The actual gospel message is literally written out for us plainly in God's Word: 

The Gospel is found in 1st Corinthians 15:1-4: 

“Now, brothers, I want to remind you of THE GOSPEL I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. By this Gospel you are SAVED, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. For what I received I passed on to you as of FIRST IMPORTANCE: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures…”

Notice that there is no mention of repentance of sins or water baptism, or discipleship included as the way to be saved. These are NOT part of the saving Gospel.

The Bible clearly says that salvation is “not of works, lest any man should boast.” (Ephesians 2:9)

Everyone who believes in Jesus alone, without simultaneously relying on his or her good works to be saved, has everlasting life. (John 6:47: "Most assuredly, I say to you, he [or she] who believes HAS everlasting life.”)

Many Christians find it difficult to understand the idea of eternal security or salvation. This subject has also led to significant disagreements among Christians. Some who still have an attachment to the flesh and its callousness find it difficult to understand the idea that the salvation we have in Christ is eternal and cannot be lost so long as Christ lives.
AT THE MOMENT OF SALVATION = In whom ye also trusted, after that, ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were SEALED with that holy Spirit of promise. (Ephesians 1:13-14)

To deny eternal security is to deny God’s free gift of eternal life because God is the only One who can provide eternal salvation! (1 John 5:20) Jesus Christ is our eternal security, and people need to grasp that He is our Rock. What part of Rock they don’t even understand? That’s sad when they attack the believer's eternal security, they are actually attacking the real Jesus Christ of the Bible.

**Colossians 1:13 KJV Who HATH DELIVERED US FROM THE POWER OF DARKNESS, AND HATH TRANSLATED US INTO THE KINGDOM OF HIS DEAR SON:” 
**Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: [9] Not of works, lest any man should boast.”
**Ephesians 2:10 KJV - For WE ARE HIS WORKMANSHIP, CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.”
**Titus 3:4-6 KJV - But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, [5] Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, BY THE WASHING OF REGENERATION, AND RENEWING OF THE HOLY GHOST; [6] WHICH HE SHED ON US ABUNDANTLY through Jesus Christ our Saviour; 
**Titus 3:7 KJV- That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.”
**Romans 3:24 KJV - Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:”
**Romans 11:6 KJV - And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.”
**Ephesians 1:13-14 KJV- In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, YE WERE SEALED WITH THAT HOLY SPIRIT OF PROMISE” 
**1 Timothy 1:16 KJV - Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to THEM which should hereafter BELIEVE on HIM to LIFE EVERLASTING.”
**Romans 6:23b KJV - For the wages of sin is death; but THE GIFT OF GOD IS ETERNAL LIFE through Jesus Christ our Lord.

March 12 2024 • 0 responses • Vote Up • Share • Report

Marty Thomas Supporter

The bible is clear that our salvation is through Jesus Christ on the cross and our belief in Him.  It is also very clear that we will be judged before Him for our actions.  Matthew 25: 31-46 (the sheep and the goats parable) is extremely powerful, and very clear, that we are expected as believers to do good works in His name if we want everlasting life.  The concluding verses are very clear that we will be damned to eternal punishment for not doing good works for "the least of these".

August 27 2013 • 4 responses • Vote Up • Share • Report

John Mulvihill Supporter

Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Jesus is the Author and Finisher of our faith. It begins and ends with him.
Christ is the foundation of our faith. Our works are laid on the foundation. 
He is the Solid Rock of our salvation. 
Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

If God prepared the work, or before ordained it, then all the glory belongs to Jesus.

Salvation is when you trust in Jesus as your Savior. 
Acts2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation. 
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

In one day were added 3,000 souls. 
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved on the spot, period!

Don't muddy the waters with what you do. Some will do a little, some will do a lot, but they will be saved just the same. Salvation by Christ alone.

Grace is not a license to sin, unless you like conviction of the spirit, and God's correction. I prefer to live in God's blessing. I prefer that he hear my prayers and supplications, so that I can pray for others, and be an effective witness of the gospel.

April 30 2018 • 0 responses • Vote Up • Share • Report

John Morris Supporter

Scripture states;
‘Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.’ And Jesus said to him, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in paradise’” (Luke 23:39-43)

So, after the cross we see n John 20:1-17 that Jesus meets Mary in the garden on the first day of the week and says, ‘Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.’” The Scriptures are clear that Christ had not ascended to the Father on Sunday morning. 

Therefore, He could not have been with the thief in paradise on Friday. It is very possible that Jesus is promising that the thief will be with him in paradise eventually. This would have to be so or Jesus would seem to be telling an untruth by contradicting John 20:17.

The greater picture here is that Jesus promised the thief that he would go to paradise...and I believe the thief more than likely, being nailed on a cross, had no time to perform any "believer" type works yet was granted paradise as a reward for his confession of belief alone.

Romans 10:10: For with your heart you believe and are justified, and with your mouth you confess and are saved.

Great discussion...

April 01 2021 • 3 responses • Vote Up • Share • Report

Jack Gutknecht Supporter ABC/DTS graduate, guitar music ministry Baptist church

Yes, Charles, I can see your problem. "Jesus says in John’s Gospel that the time is coming when people in the graves will hear His voice “and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation” (Jn 5:29). This seems to be a clear contradiction to salvation by grace (cf. Eph. 2:8–9)." https://defendinginerrancy.com/bible-solutions/John_5.28-29.php

But no, we will not be judged by our works. ("There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus," Romans 8:1). Why not? Christ has called us, Christians. We pass from death to life at His call. Jesus said in John 5:24, "Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life." Compare John 3:16-18.

It is a blessed salvation, too. Grace has redeemed us once for all; there's nothing we can do or not do which will reverse this. Christ has redeemed us once for all.

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Daniel Veler Supporter

Question: If we are saved by faith in Jesus, will we still be judged by our deeds/works? The answer is in understanding what John the Baptist meant when he said Christ would baptize us with the Holy Spirit and with fire.

Matthew 3: 11: I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire.

The Apostle explains the purpose of the fire in his writings:
1 Corinthians 3: 13: Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

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Adegoke Sam Promise Supporter

By the word of our mouth we are condemned and by the word of our mouth we shall be justified.....

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Oun Kwon Supporter

It's simple. 'Being saved' means one is coming to live in the Lord ('The one who lives in me is no longer me, but the Messiah' Gal 2:20). Salvation is not the end, but just the beginning.

'Being saved' does not mean 'not going to be judged'. Salvation is what the name Yeshua (aka Jesus) means. Thus, 'Is salvation only by Jesus?' ‘Does God save only through Jesus’ - such is by itself not a question we have to scratch our heads to come up with some sort of answer. The same is true for such a question – ‘is once saved, always saved?’ - because God is the One who reveals Himself ('who He is') through His Son, Yeshua.

As to judgment, the Scripture tells that neither God, nor Yeshua judges people. It is by the Word that everyone is already judged. (John 5:22; 8:15) All are having themselves continuously judged by what they are - in thinking, feeling, saying, and doing.

August 29 2013 • 0 responses • Vote Up • Share • Report

Myron Robertson Supporter Seeking God's heart

Salvation is a process. There are many prophecies and laws which lay that process out, but the most basic, and most important are the feast days of Israel, and primarily the three main feasts at which all males were to present themselves before God "at the place where he places his name." First that place was Shiloh, then it was Jerusalem, and finally it is in us (Rev 3:12). 

The doctrine of justification by faith is only the first step in this process. Everyone claims to be "saved" when they are justified, but they are not willing to admit that this only starts them on the path, and no one is actually saved until they are resurrected into the glorified body, which is represented by the Feast of Tabernacles (2 Cor 5).

So now we have listed the first step in the process and the final step in the process, but there are three steps. That middle step is represented by the Feast of Weeks, called by the Greek Christians, Pentecost (the 50th [day]). This is the 50th day after the waving of the wave sheaf offering which is one of the symbols of death and resurrection found in these feasts. The Feast of Trumpets (the last trumpet) is the other. Jesus was raised from the grave on the day of the wave sheaf offering. Pentecost represents the process theologians call Sanctification. 

This is a life-long process, beginning at the physical birth of every child, believer or not, as their parents begin teaching them the difference between right and wrong. It steps up a bit when we are justified by faith because at that point we are either born spiritually or at the very least conceived spiritually (the Bible, in the original languages actually speaks of it both ways, but most often as conceived, not born) and can begin to learn God's definitions of right and wrong, not simply our parents' definitions. However, Pentecost illustrates a deeper level of this learning. Another of Israel's symbols for this is the Bar Mitzvah (son of the law) ceremony, in which a boy enters youth and is expected to leave Mama and go to work to learn his Father's business (Lk 2:49)

At this point he begins to learn the rules and obey them. This learning (as is all learning) is characterized by judgment. Is 26:9, 10 says, "My soul yearns for you in the night; in the morning my spirit longs for you. When your judgments come upon the earth, the people of the world learn righteousness. But when grace is shown to the wicked, they do not learn righteousness; even in a land of uprightness they go on doing evil and do not regard the majesty of the Lord." This very clearly says that God judges us and that those who are not judged never learn righteousness, even if they are in the land of the righteous. 

Now, this judgment is NOT condemnation. Christians always want to equate these two terms; there is no equivalence and there never has been. Condemnation is a type of judgment, but it is only one type of judgment and God very rarely uses it, at least not in the same way we do when we judge by the flesh. However, Paul and John are very clear that those who are still actively committing sins, and who refuse any form of discipline for those sins will never enter into the Kingdom of God. (1 Cor 6:9, Rev 21:27)

Justification is characterized by God calling what is not AS THOUGH it were (Rom 4:17.) This makes me righteous in the eyes of the law, but it does not make me actually righteous. Only when I am actually righteous can I inherit the Kingdom and enter in.

Another important matter here is the covenant by which we seek to enter. By the Old Covenant we vow obedience to God (Ex 19:8); by the New Covenant God promises to make us righteous (Jer 31:31-35). This is an extremely important and significant difference. If I am trying to enter by my own obedience I am living by the Old Covenant. Since I have sinned in the past there is no way that covenant can save me. Only God's work in me, by the New Covenant, can save me, but judgment is involved to get me there.

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Elangovan Paul Victor Supporter

God's word is very clear about this - the book of James 2:24-26 says "faith without works(deeds) is dead" gotta have both. It does not not mean that to keep the commandments on our own efforts. 

We died to our own efforts, yes, our old self crucified with Jesus and died, this TRUTH can never be changed. Now we start to act upon this TRUTH. It means we start to execute our faith in action. That is what apostle James insists. 

We have to execute our faith. I am no more the old man who can't keep the commandments as per God's perception. In the sermon on the mount Jesus clearly conveyed what is God's perception. So a born again christian has to execute his/her faith when he/she goes through tests/temptations and win over the tests and temptations. 

We fail at times, like a child start to walk it often stumbles and falls, but the parents don't punish the child, but encourage the child to walk and soon the child starts to walk, no more stumbles. Likewise, our Father God encourages as to walk with full of His love. Wow!

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